Grammer’s Closed Indefinitely

On Saturday, August 5th, Grammer’s was robbed at gunpoint by three armed men. It wasn’t widely covered by the media (of the mainstream media, only Local 12 covered it), but word quickly spread among OTR residents.

Due to this incident, and lack of police presence in the 14th and Walnut area, Grammer’s will be closed indefinitely, says Dan Wade of the Relish Group.

Says Wade, “This is a very disheartening decision, but an easy one. We can’t expect our employees to work in such an environment. How nonchalant the city police were compared to the county was very sad and eyeopening.”

Grammer’s was open for 2 months, with an investment of $100,000 on the part of the Relish Group. Relish also recently closed its Bistro restaurant and moved Local 127 to its prior location.

This will not affect Midpoint Music Festival or Oktoberfest plans.

As an aside, I had drinks and snacks there twice and enjoyed what they did with the space, and hoped its presence cleaned up on Walnut between Liberty and 14th.



196 thoughts on “Grammer’s Closed Indefinitely”

  • “How nonchalant the city police were compared to the county was very sad and eyeopening.”

    That’s where the true story lies, and I for one would love to hear the details behind this.

    • The “details” behind it is that Grammer’s business was slower than ever, and it wouldn’t suprise me at all if management isn’t using this robbery as their excuse to fold. Blaming crime or police response is a huge farce. Other businesses are doing quite well in the same neighborhood.

      • I would say that robbery is a hell of an excuse to fold…good business or bad.  Sounds to me like you have something against the owners.  That’s the only way you would make such an asinine comment.

        • Agreed….a “robbery” like these people are making it out to be vs. an “armed robbery” with guns stuck in your face, at the back of your head, in your back as you’re getting shoved upstairs and then forced to lie on the bar floor with your face to it-thinking you’re going to die in minutes, is just like playing in the sandbox. What are the Wade’s thinking?! Heaven forbid they think of the safety first of the employees and patrons. These children out here will post anything they can negatively about The Relish Group, and no matter what they do, it’s wrong and there’s another agenda. Yeah, the Wade’s want to scrimp on a “doorman” instead of investing over 100K to get it back up and running. Common sense kids, common sense. TheSein, I TOTALLY agree with you but obviously not “patricia”…..all places are robbed there but not nearly as many are ARMED ROBBED. Get with it!

          • Milton’s was armed robbed 2x in 2 weeks recently and they are still open and people go there still in droves, black and white and its 2 blocks from Grammers. Why is that? people like the owner and support him. People don’t like the Wades and don’t support them because everything they do in this town is for the wrong reasons. 

          • Interesting…I’ve heard that the Wade’s support many charity’s and have helped out thousands of hard working citizens in this area? I don’t know of why supporting ANY charity is anything more than just that…supporting a charity? Interesting, maybe you know something we don’t know? Funny how you all just post the negative but never the positive. I just don’t get it.

          • Any support “The Wades” have made to charity is purely at the advise of their accountant for tax reasons.  I do know something you don’t know, and that is that Martin Wade-Scripps, Marilyn’s kept man does not do anything without an agenda.  If you hear negative posts about Wade it is because they are true.  Can you handle the truth?

      • I would say that robbery is a hell of an excuse to fold…good business or bad.  Sounds to me like you have something against the owners.  That’s the only way you would make such an asinine comment.

      • It’s true– They had a MAJOR drop in money from what they made when they were a bar only- to when they became a restaurant.  I work and live in the neighborhood and it was well known that they were having financial difficulties.  This was just a good easy excuse to close up shop without admitting failure. 

        • Doesn’t sound like you know who is backing Grammers? Obviously another ill-informed blogger. And another fake ID focusing on pointing fingers vs. the safety issue. Wow. Keep on blogging there “otr resident” and “OTR lover” and aaron “poco”…so many keyboards, so little time!

    • The “details” behind it is that Grammer’s business was slower than ever, and it wouldn’t suprise me at all if management isn’t using this robbery as their excuse to fold. Blaming crime or police response is a huge farce. Other businesses are doing quite well in the same neighborhood.

  • Grammer’s was dead.  They had zero business.  In fact the Monday prior to their closing (“Wings Night”) Dan Wade was overheard bemoaning to staff that they “need to get some new menu items in here” to draw some people.  To blame their closing on the police (or the menu, for that matter) is a sad and disheartening dodge.  We used to sit outside Grammer’s until all hours last summer and police were constantly cruising Liberty and Walnut.  The fact is that current management had no feel or credibility in the neighborhood.  While it is great that the place is cleaned up (slightly) and preserved, it’s unfortunate that they don’t seem to “get it.”
    Also, the armed robbery story has some inconsistencies to it. They claimed it happened at 2 am Friday (actually Saturday morning). They also said, according to the channel 12 story, they were relieved that the customers there had just gone out to the biergarten.  This makes no sense.Grammer’s closes at midnight Friday, and it’s a pretty safe bet that there’s no more than 5 or 6 patrons in there after 10 or so.  Why were customers and staff there at 2 am?  

    • You are completely wrong. They stay open until everyone leaves, their liquor lis. is till 2:30. Don’t be made because they took your young hipsters away ole man.

  • Casey you are so right, I live down the street, and to say there is no police presence is crazy.  You can stand on that corner and you will see a unit drive by within two to three minutes any part of the day. And your right they did not do very much business, I thought they were overpriced. Also,  the county vs city  thing sounded politically motivated.

    • Oh sure there is, that’s why Grammer’s was robbed in middle of night 3 times in 2 weeks and during this latest one, when customer’s were back in the beer garden, three thugs come in and just hold people up, and leave. HUGE POLICE presence. Yesterday at noon, another shooting down Walnut. Yeah, big police presence. At Grammer’s on Friday night: County shows up and they’re ready to crack heads. Cincy police show up AFTER that, whistlin’ dixie. Casey is an absolute idiot. As usual, he knows now what he speaks but he feels it’s “his authority” to represent rumors and acts like he’s “in the know.”

      And if “downtowner” thinks they’re “overpriced” and any statements are “politically motivated”…you’re as much of an idiot as Casey. Facts are facts. You both are so immature and you represent the immaturity of this blogging little group who have nothing positive to say about anything. Go away and support vs. hate, morons. Over-priced….yeah sure, you must be a PBR hipster who thought $2 was too much for a beer. I’d eaten at Grammer’s a few times and could not believe how CHEAP it was. Get a real job making more than $20/hour and you may realize how inexpensive it was.

      You both are clowns.

      • Wow.  Sorry to hear you feel that way.  Talk about sour grapes.  In any event, blaming the closing on the CPD is not exactly a shrewd move.  If Grammer’s was robbed so many times I would expect that  they hopefully installed security measures.  Unfortunately that must not have helped.

        When they reopened, one of the first things longtime neighborhood residents said is that they would need a doorman. Unfortunately they thought otherwise.  The smugness on the part of current management was and remains unfortunate.  If they would have listened to those in the hood, as well as the former clientele they so publicly disparaged, they could have done a lot better.  

        I would suggest some sustained introspection is in order, as opposed to slamming everyone else (including the police) for your problems.  We heard that story back in March and it’s getting a bit played out.

        Sincerely,
        Caseyisnotanidiot

        • Also, I would hope that those lackeys of the Relish Group that troll these boards and post insults would have the guts to reveal themselves rather than hide behind the anonymity of the internet.  You know who you are.  

          Also, I didn’t say the new Grammer’s was expensive. I ate there twice.  Once, someone else picked up the bill, the other time, on “wingz night,” it was extremely inexpensive.  That said, I didn’t really see a pressing need to go back.  Here’s hoping the third times a charm!

          • Or we can all “say” that we never say things, although they get DIRECTLY quoted from emails on what a silly lying little child we can be. We can act all “brave” like many bloggers are, post under names as if that’s any “identity” and then deny writing anything as there’s no way to trace it, even though (again), quotes that come from someone that are directly from emails, totally prove you wrong and give you no credibility. Security was installed so once again, you know not what you speak. The “smugness” as you call it, is knowing what you’re doing and is why Grammer’s was shut down once when the hipsters were ruining it and drinking for free (handing out drinks to their friends and to people they did not know) and now, when any person’s safety is at risk. No one is blaming the police you idiot. Hence, why Casey IS AN IDIOT. The rumor I’m hearing is that the lack of police presence is a reason why employees and many citizens in this city choose to not go that far up to OTR. It’s getting better but still has a ways to go. And no one said you said it was expensive. Another poster, which was referenced, said it was.

            Your lame diatribes are just that: Lame. You post as if you are always in the know and you clearly are not and is evidenced over and over. You think the city’s biz is your biz. It’s not. Get a life. You say the Relish Group upper mgt does not know what they’re doing and you know VERY LITTLE about anyone in that group. Heck, I do not but I frequent their (fewer now) places. You support idiots like The Lackman when their upper mgt squad (Tab-itha) tells existing customers several weeks ago that Grammer’s is closed when it was clearly not closed. I don’t hear you berating anything about them so why do you feel the need to berate The Relish Group? You need to grow up and be a man (IE: stop hiding behind your big bad phone and keyboard) and admit your “I never wrote that” and apologize for things you’ve said that were absolutely incorrect. But no….you’ve “got the guts” to admit your posts and emails. You are a joke.

            And if you had any half of a brain, you’d know that a doorman would not have stopped these thugs from doing what they did nor would it have stopped the robberies in the middle of the night. So….care to keep mouthing off? Just go away, would you? I’ve been a resident downtown for several years now and you believe you know who you’re chatting with….I know firsthand from very close insiders, what has happened. You only know what your little hipster friends tell you. Get a life.

          • Look at the year that 4EG has had and look at the year that Relish has had.  That’s really all you need to know.

          • Sorry to have hit a nerve.  In don’t know why you seem inclined to pick a fight with me.  It’s sad that Grammer’s has closed again.  Particularly for employees who depended on it, as well as supporting companies, like suppliers and beverage inventory services.

            I don’t know what you’re talking about re the balance of your rambling discourse, so I will let you continue to hurl your insults and invective under the cloak of anonymity.

            The sad thing is, your post includes things I told management back in March and before.  Frankly, that corner of Walnut and Liberty is one of the last corners for South-of-Liberty gentrification to reach in OTR.  And there is only a small subset of people in the city who will frequent that corner with any regularity.  And Grammer’s (new} management chose to repeatedly insult, denigrate and berate that subset of people back in March.  So what happens? They’re left with an empty and now shuttered establishment…and STILL trying to blame the oft-maligned “hipsters” (whomever that may be).   

            And, to the contrary, it sound like they ARE blaming the police.  I live next door to Grammer’s, and police are cruising all the time around here.  That said, they’re not your own private security force.  If you need security, hire it.  If someone on the inside is continually stealing inventory, that doesn’t sound like the police’s fault.  They were robbed before they opened, and, according to a poster above, were also robbed two more times (in addition to the armed robbery).  

            Karma’s a bitch.

          • And Karma will reach you and your childish blogger ramblings….which are not only nonsense but designed to lie and hurt.

          • And Karma will reach you and your childish blogger ramblings….which are not only nonsense but designed to lie and hurt.

          • OMG reading the two of you banter on and on is ridiculous.  Yes, Grammer did put in security measures.  It’s called a “locked door”.  Why would anyone think puting more security measures in place was going to keep thugs from continually harrassing the employees and patrons.  Do you really think the place stood a chance for success after a robbery?  What is sad is the group of people who are bringing that community down – and the people who are too afraid to report what they know to police.

            Get off the street car tangent, it’s old.  Let the voters decide and be done with this stupid debate.

      • Wow.  Sorry to hear you feel that way.  Talk about sour grapes.  In any event, blaming the closing on the CPD is not exactly a shrewd move.  If Grammer’s was robbed so many times I would expect that  they hopefully installed security measures.  Unfortunately that must not have helped.

        When they reopened, one of the first things longtime neighborhood residents said is that they would need a doorman. Unfortunately they thought otherwise.  The smugness on the part of current management was and remains unfortunate.  If they would have listened to those in the hood, as well as the former clientele they so publicly disparaged, they could have done a lot better.  

        I would suggest some sustained introspection is in order, as opposed to slamming everyone else (including the police) for your problems.  We heard that story back in March and it’s getting a bit played out.

        Sincerely,
        Caseyisnotanidiot

      • You, who can only respond by name calling, makes me the immature one………. o.k. Must have touched a button in here somehow.

  • More evidence the boondoggle trolly folly to nowhere crime train choo choo is a horrible waste of tax payer money. 

    Time to kill this thing officially in November!

      • You’re right. Better public transit would help crime because it would offer the opportunity to rob more people in one bus rather than hit up several individuals on the street.  Much faster and efficient.

        • Absolutely right Tasty.  There is no hope for the city especially OTR.  All this money being pumped into it hasn’t done a thing. Its a money pit.

          And the trolly folly crime train choo choo socialist Marxist boondoggle to nowhere must be stopped.  And it will be in November.

        • Absolutely right Tasty.  There is no hope for the city especially OTR.  All this money being pumped into it hasn’t done a thing. Its a money pit.

          And the trolly folly crime train choo choo socialist Marxist boondoggle to nowhere must be stopped.  And it will be in November.

          • your probably a registered voter in butler or warren county… how does this even affect you? is your life that boring you need to waste it hating on something that could improve impoverished neighborhoods and not even affect your tax dollars but mine. I personally have a college degree with a very stable well paid job and own a car but choose to ride public transportation because of it’s convenience for me. Maybe if some of these people had better opportunities to employment crime would decrease. There are several cities that have proven that to be true. You can use your made up words to hide behind your ignorance but until you show me a time in history where providing public transportation has hurt a city I rest my case.

          • I can assure you I don’t live in the Cincinnati cesspool.  However, I helped COAST raise enough signatures to destroy your yuppie streetcar

            We are actually saving your life.  There’s a solid chance you and/or your loved ones would be a victim of violent crime on this choo choo boondoggle.  You should thank us for killing it

            EVERYONE is against this project.  Enquirer – Doc Thompson – Cunningham – Scott Sloan – Tracy Jones – The police department – The fire department – Nearly all the city council candidates – 1160 – Eric Deters – Chris Smitherman – The NAACP.

            It’s over.  Step aside and let the Tea Party Adults take over

          • By everyone, you mean less than 50% of voters, correct? That’s what the polls showed the last time a nonsensical ballot issue concerning the streetcar was voted on.

          • Things have changed.  Nobody wants the streetcar.  It won’t even be close at the ballot.  I’m gonna guess 70-30 against. 

          • What leads you to believe things have change other than your deluded unsupported beliefs? The only
             thing that has changed is that gas has gotten more expensive and OTR has continued to develop and progress.

            If you were not just a ignorant, anonymous face on the internet, that is a bet I would take. Shoot, I’d probably give you good odds, too.

          • What leads you to believe things have change other than your deluded unsupported beliefs? The only
             thing that has changed is that gas has gotten more expensive and OTR has continued to develop and progress.

            If you were not just a ignorant, anonymous face on the internet, that is a bet I would take. Shoot, I’d probably give you good odds, too.

          • Did you see who is against the trolley folly crime train choo choo socialist Marxist communist boondoggle to nowhere??

            Enquirer, 700, COAST, Smitherman, NAACP, Doc Thompson, Cunningham, Sloan, Jones, Deters, Police, Fire, 1160, and much much more.

            No way supporters can win.  Absolutely no chance. 

          • You means the same people who were against it last time? Yep, just like I thought. Stock up on tissues to dry your tears after the issue gets knocked down on voting day.

          • Not true.  Cunningham and The Enquirer weren’t against the project last time because they said ‘it would stop all rail’ which, of course, everyone knew it wouldn’t. 

            The Enquirer article, Doc Thompson, and Bill Cunningham helped us go from 5000ish signatures to 10,000 in 5 days! 

            That’s an enormous amount of power and will be the cause of the demise of this boondoggle. 

            Many police and fire realize their job will be saved when this attrocity is officially buried

          • Not true.  Cunningham and The Enquirer weren’t against the project last time because they said ‘it would stop all rail’ which, of course, everyone knew it wouldn’t. 

            The Enquirer article, Doc Thompson, and Bill Cunningham helped us go from 5000ish signatures to 10,000 in 5 days! 

            That’s an enormous amount of power and will be the cause of the demise of this boondoggle. 

            Many police and fire realize their job will be saved when this attrocity is officially buried

          • Why would someone support this waste of money – – my guess the same kind of people who think cable and internet are considered needs – – well guess what – the member of the tea party know how to balance their bills, and when to CUT SPENDING

          • Different money.  The street car money has nothing to do with fire and police jobs.  It cannot come from the general funds, so had to be funded as self supporting and/or with grants and monies granted specifically for a transit project.  If it’s voted down, that money goes back to the source, and not to the city.  So, it can’t help with police and fireman jobs.

          • I don’t live in the City, but a neighboring suburb.  I say VOTE FOR THE STREETCAR!  Tax the City of Cincinnati citizens even more!  Subsidize my ride!  If it can work for the Underground Railroad Freedom Center, it can work for the Streetcar!

          • I don’t live in the City, but a neighboring suburb.  I say VOTE FOR THE STREETCAR!  Tax the City of Cincinnati citizens even more!  Subsidize my ride!  If it can work for the Underground Railroad Freedom Center, it can work for the Streetcar!

          • I don’t live in the City, but a neighboring suburb.  I say VOTE FOR THE STREETCAR!  Tax the City of Cincinnati citizens even more!  Subsidize my ride!  If it can work for the Underground Railroad Freedom Center, it can work for the Streetcar!

          • In other words, no one whose opinion matters.  And I haven’t heard that “Police” are against it.  The entire force?  The new chief?  The union?

          • Did you see who is against the trolley folly crime train choo choo socialist Marxist communist boondoggle to nowhere??

            Enquirer, 700, COAST, Smitherman, NAACP, Doc Thompson, Cunningham, Sloan, Jones, Deters, Police, Fire, 1160, and much much more.

            No way supporters can win.  Absolutely no chance. 

          • OTR has continues to develop and progress?  You must be on of the criminals benefiting from OTR residents, and customers.  Please post the location of the pawn shop you use to sell your stolen goods.
            I am sure some of the victims would like their valuables back.

          • Have you been to Main Street or Vine Street lately?  Try coming down on a Friday night or Saturday afternoon.  Second Sundays on Main were big street festivals and live music throughout the summer.  Final Fridays on Main are quite a buzz of activity with art galleries packed, night spots very busy as well and live music playing throughout.  And large crowds actually gather in that area many other nights as well.  There is a lot going on in OTR.  In all of it? No.  But as this progress in the gateway quarter and other areas continues to build, I’m hopeful it will have a positive impact on the rest of the neighborhood.

          • first off it will be a cold day in hell before I let the tea party ‘adults” take over because from what i have gathered and your name calling friends your far from adults. I have lived in the city my entire life, so has my family, and the generation before that. I have worked in over the rhine in the past no one I now has ever been robbed or shot. Once again this issue has nothing to do with you. You are clearly what’s wrong with the country. You bully people and think that you know what’s best for them. You have the audacity to tell me you are saving my life. I never asked you to help me. So that’s your first mistake. I have survived this long without being robbed or shot or any other violent crime while growing up poor in a low income neighborhood. If I needed saving I ‘m not calling the tea party believe that. I have my own voice and plan to use it now. When the streetcar get’s build I will proudly be among the first to ride on it. Prior to today I have never donated to the streetcar cause but now I am going to make a donation and volunteer my time. I stand by my words and money (which once again these are my families tax dollars not yours) Also clearly everyone is not against it I count and I am for it . I plan to make sure all of my friends who you don’t think will vote will show up, the poor, the young, and the disenfranchised voters. By the way you said that the enquirer was not against it the last time. It is a republican owned newspaper that never stands behind liberal thought….

          • first off it will be a cold day in hell before I let the tea party ‘adults” take over because from what i have gathered and your name calling friends your far from adults. I have lived in the city my entire life, so has my family, and the generation before that. I have worked in over the rhine in the past no one I now has ever been robbed or shot. Once again this issue has nothing to do with you. You are clearly what’s wrong with the country. You bully people and think that you know what’s best for them. You have the audacity to tell me you are saving my life. I never asked you to help me. So that’s your first mistake. I have survived this long without being robbed or shot or any other violent crime while growing up poor in a low income neighborhood. If I needed saving I ‘m not calling the tea party believe that. I have my own voice and plan to use it now. When the streetcar get’s build I will proudly be among the first to ride on it. Prior to today I have never donated to the streetcar cause but now I am going to make a donation and volunteer my time. I stand by my words and money (which once again these are my families tax dollars not yours) Also clearly everyone is not against it I count and I am for it . I plan to make sure all of my friends who you don’t think will vote will show up, the poor, the young, and the disenfranchised voters. By the way you said that the enquirer was not against it the last time. It is a republican owned newspaper that never stands behind liberal thought….

          • The fact that people like Eric Deters and Chris Smitherman are against it, is all the more reason to support it.

          • Wow.  Not much fact there, just a bunch of opinion.  EVERYONE isn’t against the project.  If nearly all of city council is against it, then why has it passed the voting hurdles it needs to, to this point at least? Short of a vote against it this fall (which MAY but MAY NOT happen), the mayor and city council will be moving forward with the project.  I can say having attended council meetings, that the people who love and care for this area of downtown and are prepared to make it a better place for the city have already moved in, support OTR and downtown as well as the streetcar, and will take what some call a “cess pool” or “money pit” and continue building on the growth that has already been seen in the is area in the last 2, 3, 4 years. Young professionials, college grads, artists and entrepreneurs have been moving in in large numbers and it is quite the place to be these days!  They are buying condos, renting rehabbed apartments, opening stores and restaurants and taking part in street festivals and weekend events. A streetcar could only help to build on that kind of progress. 

          • cincygal, I’m a downtown gal and believe we should NOT invest in the streetcar. The streetcar will not revive fourth street, which is among the first and last views of the city ppl see when they come visit. Deviate one block north or south of Ftn Sq and it’s Blightsville. Wish we could use the money to cook up some life on fourth or parts of sixth. 
            If you are seriously saying that people who don’t think as you do are ignorant, you really need to stop and take a deep breath…and a deeper look into your heart.

          • first off no where in my post did I say that people who don’t agree with me are ignorant. I do believe that people who just write out of feeling with no proof other than what they think u are ignorant. I believe everyone has a right to their opinion but most of these people won’t even be affected by this issue but for some reason make it their issue. I am glad you are invested in your neighborhood and would like to see changes. I do disagree with you because from my personal experience and the knowledge I have from working in non-profit work you can revitalize but people aren’t going to come because the neighborhood isn’t hasn’t really changed. I am honestly tired of defending my point, you can look at a few of my other posts. Know that I am a firm believer in the first amendment rights but I don’t think it is constructive to use emotion over logic (not just my logic either sides constructive logic).

          • I get that the streetcare wont solve everything in the downtown area, but this money is granted for this project, not just any project the city wants to cook up.  If we don’t do this now, they cannot simply reallocate the money to fourth or sixth streets.  That will be have to be something separately funded.  🙂

          • Do you realize that you diminish the appearance of your argument by saying things like ‘trolly folly crime train choo choo’. That just makes you sound silly and makes me giggle instead of take anything said after that seriously.

          • Do you realize that you diminish the appearance of your argument by saying things like ‘trolly folly crime train choo choo’. That just makes you sound silly and makes me giggle instead of take anything said after that seriously.

        • Absolutely right Tasty.  There is no hope for the city especially OTR.  All this money being pumped into it hasn’t done a thing. Its a money pit.

          And the trolly folly crime train choo choo socialist Marxist boondoggle to nowhere must be stopped.  And it will be in November.

        • it has been proven that public transportation does the opposite and it actually causes the poor to be displaced to other location… I am hoping the criminals can be your neighbors too since you clearly are so close minded to anything outside of suburbia…

          • What source has proven this? The bus system? The closest system currently to the proposed cincy streetcar is the streetcar system in portland ore which was shown to have little to no impact on the city.

          • What source has proven this? The bus system? The closest system currently to the proposed cincy streetcar is the streetcar system in portland ore which was shown to have little to no impact on the city.

          • you can’t just look at street car systems. Any location that has a permanent transportation system such as a subway is affected. A bus route does nothing because that is not permanent. A great example is Shaw area in Washington D.C. prior to there being a metro stop is was one of the most dangerous impoverished parts of D.C. and once the metro opened a stop their the entire area changed. One streetcar is the first step into a true investment. The streetcar is not going to to fix things over night but it will start making slow changes. Also if you haven’t noticed the cities that have and continue to flourish are the ones who invested in good transportation from the beginning. I can keep giving you facts or links to reports but it won’t change you’re mind. I stand behind my personal research and experience. I have not always been behind the streetcars. It took me leaving Cincy’s bubble and living in a bigger city to truly understand the real affects. Now I stand 110% behind it and what it can do for my city.

          • So are you saying the poor are criminals?  Poor rely on public transportation to get them to social services because they don’t have vehicles.  Read an ITE or TRB report on mass public transit, cincygal.

        • it has been proven that public transportation does the opposite and it actually causes the poor to be displaced to other location… I am hoping the criminals can be your neighbors too since you clearly are so close minded to anything outside of suburbia…

        • it has been proven that public transportation does the opposite and it actually causes the poor to be displaced to other location… I am hoping the criminals can be your neighbors too since you clearly are so close minded to anything outside of suburbia…

        • I don’t know….I lived in Seattle for almost 40 years and their system
          is fantastic and while they, like any city, have their fair share of
          crime. I don’t think public transpo does that. You rarely hear of a robbery taking down a whole bus. I lived in NYC for 4 years prior to that and sure, it does happen but rarely does an entire car get robbed.

      • You’re right. Better public transit would help crime because it would offer the opportunity to rob more people in one bus rather than hit up several individuals on the street.  Much faster and efficient.

        • You mean they can’t travel now? Are they incapable of driving, riding a bus, or walking around currently? This has to be one of the silliest things I’ve ever heard.

        • You mean they can’t travel now? Are they incapable of driving, riding a bus, or walking around currently? This has to be one of the silliest things I’ve ever heard.

      • It is actually the teapartypatriots they are an astroturfing group of teahadists that sit home all day on SSI and welfare searching a list of things they hate, and then attacking them with Koch brothers talking points. They used to be diggnationpatriots, but no one goes on digg anymore.

  • More evidence the boondoggle trolly folly to nowhere crime train choo choo is a horrible waste of tax payer money. 

    Time to kill this thing officially in November!

  •  “Keep the Marxist thugs inside Cincinnati cesspool limits and lets focus on the suburbs where people actually pay taxes”
    TeaPartyPatriot, You are a terrible person.

  •  “Keep the Marxist thugs inside Cincinnati cesspool limits and lets focus on the suburbs where people actually pay taxes”
    TeaPartyPatriot, You are a terrible person.

  •  “Keep the Marxist thugs inside Cincinnati cesspool limits and lets focus on the suburbs where people actually pay taxes”
    TeaPartyPatriot, You are a terrible person.

  • They should make it an “armed patrons only” establishment and their problems would cease (at least from the non-uniformed variety of thug).

  • How stupid are you to open a business downtown, in the first place ?  Fucking city is full of NIG GERS, they’re like Rats, only worse. A Rat won’t Assault, Rob, Rape or Murder you. I live in the burbs and I won’t even drive through Cincinnati, I take the loop to avoid The F UCKING SPEAR CHUCKERS.

    GOOD NIG GER is a DEAD NIG GER !

  • Yes because NO ONE has ever used a car or highway to commit a crime.

    I’ll just wait here at the bus stop with my two buds, three smoking guns and a bag full of cash.
    The burbillies will never catch us this way.

  • Is anyone really surprised?  

    There is a crime problem in general in Cincinnati – why people think OTR is suddenly safe because “They” live there is beyond me.  Would you take your kids down there at night?  I wouldn’t.

    • We LOVE living down here with our son. A neighbor threw a great kids party in a room at Grammer’s (early evening before it opened) and it was an absolute blast.

      I grew up in an eastern burb, and am very jealous that my son will get to grow up here. There is crime and danger everywhere.

  • If anything needs killing it is the tea party and the NON-CINCINNATIANS who run it. Cincinnati for Cincinnatians!

  • Seems to me Wade is scapegoating crime for the failure of yet another of his ventures.
    Everything he touches turns sour.

    What does the Relish “Group” consist of now?

    PS – It is really sad to see so many comments from people who don’t like cities.  Why don’t they save there venom for something that actually affects their lives?

  • I’m sDure the police chief and city council will investigate Wade’s claim that the police were nonchalant in their response.

  • I love how these hip city dwellers use the tags ‘suburbanite’ and ‘suburbia’ as some kind of insult. Have fun in your 500  square foot loft that probably runs about the same I’m paying for my 4 bedroom 2.5 bath on 3/4 acre…. Enjoy your trolly car.

    • I am SO not hip, but I love my 2100 sq ft Italianate that was probably cheaper than some track home in the burbs. I have no yard to maintain, a beautiful park a short walk away that my son loves, and neighbors that I know up and down the street (as opposed to my experience in the burbs).

      Glad you are loving WC. Some of my best friends love west chester, I love the city. It’s not really a competition. 🙂

      • i live in the burbs in a ranch house  its quiet and i also live by a park my home is cheaper than yours i like having a yard so my kids can play. nothing wrong with it

      • i live in the burbs in a ranch house  its quiet and i also live by a park my home is cheaper than yours i like having a yard so my kids can play. nothing wrong with it

      • i live in the burbs in a ranch house  its quiet and i also live by a park my home is cheaper than yours i like having a yard so my kids can play. nothing wrong with it

      • I agree… It’s not a competition. I’ve lived on Short VIne, I’ve worked downtown, and during that time had to walk or ride the bus back and forth to both. I just don’t see the allure of living in a community where there is an attitude of “it’s not really armed robbery ‘unless you have a gun stuck in the back of your head'” as one commenter put it. I was crass and my comment unwarranted. I’m not an elitist, I just find it equally narrow minded for people living downtown to think that living north of 275 equates to being some backwoods hick with no sense of social awareness. I get why you guys live there and there was a time in my life where given the resources, that 2100 sq ft would have been super fine, but as I grew older, I was drawn to the suburbs. Can’t explain it. I like the community, I like my house and I like my yard. I guess what I’m saying is that I’m sorry that I offended some people and my post could have been better worded and less snarky.

        • Excellent points. I agree that plenty of folks are narrow-minded on both sides of the equation. You get extra points for actually living in an urban environment before deciding it is not for you. (An fyi, I do not think extra points from me is worth that much…lol) I get annoyed by folks that dismiss the option without ever visiting. Also, snarky is good, of course it gets me in trouble all the time as well.

    • And how much do you spend on gas every week? I live in the city in a 2500sqft house that probably cost half of what your vinyl monstrosity set you back.

    • Im always amazed at just how many people from West Chester really have no people skills, are rude and elitist. As far as i’m concerned stay there in your vanilla kingdom and leave the city to us. Mind your own town politics, mess around with your neighbors wife, pay those huge taxes and again stay away we don’t need you.

    • I personally love my 1,968 sq foot loft sytle condo that is within walking distance of a lot of restaruants and bars downtown and also to the stadiums.  I also don’t have a yard to maintain and a couple parks that are a short distance from me too.  If you ever do come down us “downtowners” would welcome you… just enjoy that 25 to 30 min drive down and back.  Cheers.

    • I personally love my 1,968 sq foot loft sytle condo that is within walking distance of a lot of restaruants and bars downtown and also to the stadiums.  I also don’t have a yard to maintain and a couple parks that are a short distance from me too.  If you ever do come down us “downtowners” would welcome you… just enjoy that 25 to 30 min drive down and back.  Cheers.

    • I’m in the city.  Live on one acre.  4 bedrooms.  3 bathrooms.  Finished basement.  And really really cool and open minded neighbors.  Therein lies the difference.

  • I love how these hip city dwellers use the tags ‘suburbanite’ and ‘suburbia’ as some kind of insult. Have fun in your 500  square foot loft that probably runs about the same I’m paying for my 4 bedroom 2.5 bath on 3/4 acre…. Enjoy your trolly car.

  • Its really amazing to see how people react. Someone said it best. Wade is blaming the police for another failed business venture. No one went there because he is a schmuck. They didnt have a door man there to filter people and guard the place. They didnt have a good relationship with the police, trust me I know this. The guy who runs Relish is not even from here and is not a friendly person and has assumed his uncles persona. If people went to the place instead of boycotting it due to ownership it would be safer.

    Forget the streetcar, This has nothing to do with that. This is all about community relations and the wades have none. NONE!!! This is the beginning of Karma and it will keep on picking up steam!

    • I’ve met one of the Wade’s that runs much of Grammer’s and oversees the other restaurants and he’s pretty damn friendly and funny. I also know a few of the folks that work in some of their places, Grammer’s included and I hear that although he may be hard to work with at times, he’s fair. From what I’ve seen and heard about your “solution” of a guard guy…that’s ridiculous. That would just have meant ONE MORE PERSON WOULD HAVE BEEN AT RISK. You all play it off so simply and easily. You are incorrect. A guard would not have stopped what happened on Friday night. You sound like the other ID (I’m sure you have about 15) mentioning Karma. Yeah, I’m pretty sure it’s the same moron that denies posting b/c “there are a lot of “caseys” that post”….

      Anyhow, unless you’ve met the person you’re speaking of, then shut up or just discredit yourself with the other bloggers who know NOTHING firsthand but just chime in. I’ve met one of the Wade’s in charge and he was a really nice guy.

      • Grammer’s wasn’t robbed and AT RISK back when the horrible hipsters were running it. Why the “sky is falling woe is me” act so suddenly?  Like others have said, something doesn’t smell right here, and it’s not the reheated chicken wingz they were trying to pawn off.

        BTW, no one is suggesting an armed guard idiot.  A simple man at the door would have been sufficient enough a deterrent that the guys would not have robbed the place.  They don’t go in guns a’blazin like it’s the wild west.  Obviously you have no clue how to run a bar in OTR, and that is why you failed so miserably.

    • And no, I’m not using any other ID, first time posting today…my husband and I went to Grammer’s a lot. It’s a real shame.

      • Interesting how lame you BOTH are. Relying on inane and insane posts from “real ID’s” where you guys have 10 of them, and then listening to a buffoon telling people who he “claims” are behind the ID’s. Silly rabbit, trix are for kids!

    • “Casey” online is NOT the Casey Costen that posted lie upon lies in an email that spread like wildfire about his multiple talents and “not his first rodeo” and quoted from an email almost to the “T”…his exact blog. The Dan Wade I know, had a conversation with this short Casey Costen and this Casey Costen told the Wade’s that it was NOT him as Casey in these posts. Therefore, this “casey”…big brave Casey posting behind his keyboard, cannot have spoken with anyone about any false ID’s and “shortseller1970″…whatever that even means.

      Nice try though. Spreading rumors again.

  • I’ll be riding this modern wonder all I can. So many great businesses not owned by this restaurant group which are thriving, have great beer, great food, art, music & more! Lots on wonderful people, lots of diverse interests. I’ll be having a great time as will thousands of others, while your sitting in your car, out of gas in Warren County on a P3 toll road to your condo next to an abandoned strip mall.

    Be sure to think of me, the fun I’m having, the economic prosperity while you sit alone in your car, as you listen to AM talk radio & fume over gas prices keeping you from being able to go to your Klan rally.

  • This sounds like the police have their priorities mixed up. Why not have more police presence in the bad areas of town instead of having extra police conduct DUI checkpoints and make minor Disorderly conduct arrests. Sounds like the police department does the easy work. They like harassing the basic citizen or tourist but not the hardcore criminal. If the police aren’t going to protect and only harass, then lets push to cut the force.

  • This is like the third or fourth robbery by the same guys. 3 guys robbed Village Tavern twice within the last month, they also robbed longworths and most likely Monks Cove. These guys are going around and hitting all the bars in the city. 

    • And Bartinis!!! I hear Grammer’s has these hoods on security film? Maybe these other places have them on photos too??? A comparison would be great!

  • This is like the third or fourth robbery by the same guys. 3 guys robbed Village Tavern twice within the last month, they also robbed longworths and most likely Monks Cove. These guys are going around and hitting all the bars in the city. 

  • Please only complain about OTR and the City ONLY if you are DOING something to IMPROVE it. If you are not; please shut your TEA HOLE. As an educator, small business owner, and a volunteer -I believe people should help each other. Grammer’s helped the neighborhood and made some coin. Free enterpise baby. The government failed to provide its basic duties. Protect and serve. 

    Spending time in Chicago, New Orleans, and Boston showed me what decent public transportation looked like. For the price of 2 car payments; I could travel Boston for an entire year. No tickets, no dui’s, no parking fees. Yeah – THAT sounds horrible…

    • I could not agree more with you. These big babies drink PBR’s and bitch and moan yet do nothing but fight those trying to improve “their” city. They’re amazing to watch them shoot themselves in the foot. Constantly nay-saying anyone and anything, unless of course, it’s ping pong, PBR’s or whatever handout they can get.

      • Dan Wade, Justin Dean and the rest of the lackeys at Relish group are positively frantic that their teat suckling of Marilyn Scripps Wade will soon come to an end.  That meal ticket has been punched consistently over the past years and is now about to come to dry up.  Accordingly, they will stoop to new lows to defend their golden goose. (and attack everyone else)  As has been well documented, Dan Wade came into Grammer’s with “big ideas.”  He wanted to make it “more like Barleycorn’s.”  Well, if he means the Barleycorns that shuttered downtown so many years ago, then he succeeded.  As others have pointed out, many businesses in the area have been robbed and not closed (see, e.g. Milton’s, Tuckers etc.). Kind of comes with the territory.  The fact is, Wade and his fellow Arizona buddy managing Grammer’s don’t have a clue about OTR, have no credibility, and sought to simply ramrod their round “chicken wing empire” into a square hole.  They failed miserably, have sour grapes, and now want to slam their critics via anonymous internet postings. The lack of professionalism is astounding and all involved should be FIRED.  Their little reheated-chicken-wing-and-bud-light clubhouse has come to a bitter end, and, sadly enough, there’s no shortage of people everywhere waiting to dance cheerfully on their tombstone.

        Also, I think someone else mentioned this…but the details behind the so called “armed robbery” are sketchy.  Something smells.  They claim there were customers there at 2 am., who then walked out to the biergarten the moment the robbers arrived.  First off, NOBODY is in Grammer’s at 2 am. They close at midnight (regardless of what their liquor license allows, closing time is closing time), and it’s highly unlikely anyone was there at 11 let alone 2. They were that dead.  They have been hemorrhaging dollars for almost 3 months.  The experiment failed and Dan Wade was being forced to eat Arizona CROW wings because of this abject failure.  Then a “robbery” occurs, not an uncommon occurrence in the neighborhood (of which Martin Wade owns most of the block), and all of sudden it’s “gather the wimmen and children and high tail it outta here.”  Also, at the time they said they would close Saturday and reopen Wednesday in order to address security.  During the down time, not a single person was at the site. Nobody.  And typically, even on closed days, Relish Group employees cars were parked there.

        Something sounds fishy.

        In any event, it’s too bad they closed.  But hopefully they will sell it and let someone with a clue run the place. Maybe the folks around the corner at MOTR

  • There was a time, 35-40 years ago when Grammers was considered to be a nice evening out for dinner. Then you could even park and walk to enjoy the night. Not now. This has been evolving into an unsafe area for many years and only those that live in the area know when to go out and when not to go out for a walk. The thugs continue to multiply and it won’t be too long when the newbies that arrive into the area give it up and move on. Life is too short and it’s simply not worth the risks.

  • There was a time, 35-40 years ago when Grammers was considered to be a nice evening out for dinner. Then you could even park and walk to enjoy the night. Not now. This has been evolving into an unsafe area for many years and only those that live in the area know when to go out and when not to go out for a walk. The thugs continue to multiply and it won’t be too long when the newbies that arrive into the area give it up and move on. Life is too short and it’s simply not worth the risks.

  • There was a time, 35-40 years ago when Grammers was considered to be a nice evening out for dinner. Then you could even park and walk to enjoy the night. Not now. This has been evolving into an unsafe area for many years and only those that live in the area know when to go out and when not to go out for a walk. The thugs continue to multiply and it won’t be too long when the newbies that arrive into the area give it up and move on. Life is too short and it’s simply not worth the risks.

  • Translation for readers:  We were not making money running the restaurant and its always fun to cast blame….so, we decided to cast blame on the city cops.

    • Translation to readers: ” We were not making money running the restaurant and its always fun to
      cast blame….so, we decided to cast blame on the city cops”…I’m just another big crybaby in Cincinnati with nothing better to do but blog away at stuff that happened in the past and can’t grow up. It’s fun to boycott businesses b/c it’s easier being a loser, than working hard to continue supporting those people who are trying to support our OTR.

  • Oh, no, did you open this article for the Enquirer’s Comment Hit Team?
    All the usual bots are here with their anti-OTR/streetcar talking points.
    The revitalization of OTR is costing some powerful Someone huge bucks. They will stop at nothing to spread lies.

    • Dave, your a moron with a ghetto mentality. Your viewpoint is the reason that ghettos remain ghettos anywhere not just here.

      • HappyinOTR,
        You make a valid point regarding negative attitudes of some people. So, how does a ghetto repair/remake itself into an area where any/all people feel safe and want to live there? Does this begin with the current residents that take pride in  their community and show this by working to keep their homes in repair and teaching their children by example how to be responsible citizens? It took a lot of years for OTR to evolve and become what is is today. How long do you believe it would take to reverse this process?

  • Cincinnati Police have had this type of attitude for many years now. If you get in trouble in Cincinnati, DON”T call 911….they’re even worse. In the last 3 years I have made 12 calls for police service in the city, and got a cop 3 times. Its time for a major overhaul that will never happen!  This is why so m,any businesses have either closed or moved to the northern area of the county. YOU ARE NOT SAFE IN CINCINNATI!! DON”T FOOL YOURSELF!!

  •  And that is precisely why I stayed out of Hamilton County when I had to relocate to the area.  I wanted no part of the stadium booddoggle or any of the other petty BS that is Cincinnati politics.

    But that doesn’t mean I can’t express an opinion.

    • Agreed, this city is very, very petty about these dumb little arguments and they all act like their say is the end all, be all. I’ve lived here now for about a decade and just can’t believe how childish these bloggers and “omg I have to post this right now” climate this city lives in. I’ve never seen anything like it. In Florida, you don’t see garbage like this. Such hatred towards people trying to run businesses to the point of “boycotting” crap? Give me a break. I don’t see anyone boycotting Ruby for him denying service to OJ. I don’t see these people boycotting other businesses simply b/c they make business decisions DAILY to part with previous partners?! What the heck is their beef with this group??? It’s just childish.

    • Agreed, this city is very, very petty about these dumb little arguments and they all act like their say is the end all, be all. I’ve lived here now for about a decade and just can’t believe how childish these bloggers and “omg I have to post this right now” climate this city lives in. I’ve never seen anything like it. In Florida, you don’t see garbage like this. Such hatred towards people trying to run businesses to the point of “boycotting” crap? Give me a break. I don’t see anyone boycotting Ruby for him denying service to OJ. I don’t see these people boycotting other businesses simply b/c they make business decisions DAILY to part with previous partners?! What the heck is their beef with this group??? It’s just childish.

    • Agreed, this city is very, very petty about these dumb little arguments and they all act like their say is the end all, be all. I’ve lived here now for about a decade and just can’t believe how childish these bloggers and “omg I have to post this right now” climate this city lives in. I’ve never seen anything like it. In Florida, you don’t see garbage like this. Such hatred towards people trying to run businesses to the point of “boycotting” crap? Give me a break. I don’t see anyone boycotting Ruby for him denying service to OJ. I don’t see these people boycotting other businesses simply b/c they make business decisions DAILY to part with previous partners?! What the heck is their beef with this group??? It’s just childish.

  • What’s the real reason they closed, because people who live downtown swear up and down that there is almost no crime downtown, and suburbanites are paranoid.  What’s the real reason they closed?  Are the protesting the lack of trolley?

  • This is a sad tale. Grammers is a city treasure just like most of the buildings in OTR. 
    I live in Mt Lookout but I spend a lot of time downtown and in OTR. The city government is the problem, they make it impossible to make this part of the city better. The Cincinnati Police are hamstruck, damned if they do, damned if they don’t. I’d like to see the trolley happen but not an over the street powerd by wires. Why not just electric busses look like old fashion trolleys. TANK has some in the city right now. Grammers will make a comeback when the people that live in OTR stand up and take back their streets. Catch the robbers and throw them in jail.

    • Agreed. The Cincy police are undermanned and are given little support. The Wade’s post may be reality from a citizen’s perspective but unfortunately, that’s how it appeared to them. Kudos to the Wade’s for speaking what they experienced. Maybe the city will beef up enforcement not only from a labor perspective but from a legal perspective (IE: enforcing the rules)!?

  • My favorite part of this article is that apparently on Saturday August 6th the place was robbed. The problem with that is Friday was the 5th and saturday was the 6th. So which one was it? I’m not a writer by any means, but come on….

  • From what I remember about that discussion, and I followed the blogs, the intent was if the location closed due a failure in operations, not if there was an armed robbery for God’s sake. What’s the matter with you people?! You have no empathy for the (who knows how many number of people lives were at risk) employees and from what I hear, customers that could have been shot?! All you do is berate ownership! WTF?! You make no sense?! You get into childish pissing matches about anyone shutting down and blaming police or b/c they “don’t manage well.” You people need lives. Spending it on here badmouthing an ownership team that SAFETY is their number one priority?! Unreal. Go blog about another blog’s blog. I hope “shortseller” or “caseysanidiot” or whoever is against whatever you stand for, doesn’t give you squat.

  • Speaking from experience… the west side restaurant I work at was robbed at gunpoint.  We called 911, ans it took 20 minutes for the police to show up.  My wife was held up, again at gunpoint, of her cellphone and $300 and when she was able to call 911, she was told there were no officers available…

    So idiots like the Dunce of Cincinnati Jason Haap and the rest of the degenerates at the Beacon who are all for the decimating of the police force, you’re getting exactly what you deserve.  Enjoy your trolley.

  • You don’t expect the police to be emotionally involved, do you? They get the same check whether they try real hard or ‘phone it in’ (which is the usual on both sides of the river).  No resources? No professional resolve? I know how hard it is to just be near OTR…..I can’t imagine living anywhere near that war zone.

  • I know these people, and I’d be willing to bet that the armed gunmen and the robbery were merely a fictitious creation to back them out of an embarrassing failure. Ego’s
    prevail here. They couldn’t stand the thought of closing a business
    because they’re terrible at what they do. It’s always someone else’s
    fault. I wonder how much of Mrs. Wade’s (Scripps) money, Mr. Wade has squandered?

  • After the first closing five months ago, the rumors of poor management (seems to be the plague of Relish) and lots of money lost, and now this re-closing, something smells fishy here. 

  • So, Grammer’s closes a few months ago due to poor management if you read up on it, re-opens two months ago as a restaurant;, continues to lose money and suddenly re-closes?  If this is truly simply about crime, so be it.  But the fact of the matter is Martin Wade’s track record with his Cincinnati restaurants is so poor that there is something that doesn’t sit right with this story.  It has to be hugely embarrassing to fail at so many business ventures in such a short period of time, and desperate times call for desperate measures.

  • Really,??? A robbery in that neighborhood ? Wow,.what a surprise. I would assume any one going into that area,called
    “OTR” is either just plain dumb, naive, ………or of course the Thugs that live around the area and thrive on the naive
    who make the mistake of visiting.

    • Every night on the news I hear of robberies/murders/gunshots in areas of the West Side (most recently in Colerain) and other suburbs.  Crime occurs everywhere.

  • Add to this the robbery of two MLB reporters who were relieved of their wallets at gunpoint outside gate 3 at Great
    American Ballpark on Monday night,……..come on down town !!!!!!!!!!! Why not build a streetcar to more readily transport
    the Thugs from “OTR” area to downtown,.yeah , now there is a thought.

  • Another Wade “snow job” as  the “empire” gets smaller and smaller.  No, there should not have been a robbery and,yes, perhaps protection should have been better. If you use the Wade rationale then Tucker’s should have closed after the shooting.  It didn’t and those of us who have faith in O-T-R will persevere and try to make the area the best and safest it can be. 

    Witness this one entity opposed to the countless others who have opened and are prospering.  I guess Lavomatic will be next to close if you follow the Wade doctrine.  What a shame for Cincinnati that such small minds still exist.

  • Dan Wade, Justin Dean and the rest of the lackeys at Relish group are positively frantic that their teat suckling of Marilyn Scripps Wade will soon come to an end.  That meal ticket has been punched consistently over the past years and is now about to come to dry up.  Accordingly, they will stoop to new lows to defend their golden goose. (and attack everyone else)  As has been well documented, Dan Wade came into Grammer’s with “big ideas.”  He wanted to make it “more like Barleycorn’s.”  Well, if he means the Barleycorns that shuttered downtown so many years ago, then he succeeded.  As others have pointed out, many businesses in the area have been robbed and not closed (see, e.g. Milton’s, Tuckers etc.). Kind of comes with the territory.  The fact is, Wade and his fellow Arizona buddy managing Grammer’s don’t have a clue about OTR, have no credibility, and sought to simply ramrod their round “chicken wing empire” into a square hole.  They failed miserably, have sour grapes, and now want to slam their critics via anonymous internet postings. The lack of professionalism is astounding and all involved should be FIRED.  Their little reheated-chicken-wing-and-bud-light clubhouse has come to a bitter end, and, sadly enough, there’s no shortage of people everywhere waiting to dance cheerfully on their tombstone.Also, I think someone else mentioned this…but the details behind the so called “armed robbery” are sketchy.  Something smells.  They claim there were customers there at 2 am., who then walked out to the biergarten the moment the robbers arrived.  First off, NOBODY is in Grammer’s at 2 am. They close at midnight (regardless of what their liquor license allows, closing time is closing time), and it’s highly unlikely anyone was there at 11 let alone 2. They were that dead.  They have been hemorrhaging dollars for almost 3 months.  The experiment failed and Dan Wade was being forced to eat Arizona CROW wings because of this abject failure.  Then a “robbery” occurs, not an uncommon occurrence in the neighborhood (of which Martin Wade owns most of the block), and all of sudden it’s “gather the wimmen and children and high tail it outta here.”  Also, at the time they said they would close Saturday and reopen Wednesday in order to address security.  During the down time, not a single person was at the site. Nobody.  And typically, even on closed days, Relish Group employees cars were parked there.Something sounds fishy.In any event, it’s too bad they closed.  But hopefully they will sell it and let someone with a clue run the place. Maybe the folks around the corner at MOTR

  • To put the entire blame on the police is just silly.  Let’s put blame where blame is due.  Grammer’s owners have opened and closed several times in the past two years for several reasons.  No one can keep up with the openings and closings, which is why they didn’t have any business.  You go once for a drink then the next time “closed” .  After you try to give them business, only to find them closed again, you finally give up.  Yet another hobby business in OTR.    If you want to make 14th and Walnut safer, stay open for more than a month at at time and keep people coming.  The more traffic on the streets, more people living in the area, more shoppers, businesses, the safer the area.  No city can give you 24/7 police protection.  Citizens have to do their part.

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